tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7976081.post5291238017157560787..comments2024-03-15T10:36:55.634+02:00Comments on Bat Aliyah: Rabbi Nachman Kahana RespondsUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7976081.post-84216320845683779732012-03-11T20:48:22.034+02:002012-03-11T20:48:22.034+02:00Baruch Eliezer Silas: "Jews who live in l'...Baruch Eliezer Silas: "Jews who live in l'chutz l'aretz have no idea of the danger or the difficulty that Jews face in Eretz Yisrael" <br />FYI I came to Israel in April 2002. Anyway, if security and financial considerations are irrelevant, what about statements such as "The economy in Eretz Yisrael is very good! There will be an overflow of livelihood for Jews living everywhere who come to the Holy Eretz Yisrael!" "Real estate in Eretz Yisrael, parcels of land and building of houses, all will continue even greater than what’s been!" "In Eretz Yisrael there is blessing with livelihood and money, in that it will never run out! The opposite will be true! Blessing without end!" and so on. Do you object to these statements, too? <br /><br />I am glad that for some people it worked out well to make aliyah. I am quite aware that not for everybody, things work out well. I urge everyone to think carefully and to consult with a reputable rabbi who knows their situation personally. Then, if feasible, by all means make aliyah.Danielahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16219210065972325885noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7976081.post-80866539053204316452012-03-11T07:15:42.888+02:002012-03-11T07:15:42.888+02:00Baruch Eliezer Silas:
"What I hear in Josh Wa...Baruch Eliezer Silas:<br /><i>"What I hear in Josh Waxman's response is a perfect example of what Jews find important in the galut--money and democracy. Neither of which will make a difference standing in front of HKB"H."</i><br /><br />If you saw that in my response, then you weren't reading very clearly, and can work on your reading comprehension. I said the opposite, in fact. My point was that, wadr., Rabbi Kahana was misinterpreting the Chesed LeAvraham. The Chesed LeAvraham <b>explained</b> that **choosing** extreme lack of security and poverty for the sake of fulfilling Hashem's will was what made the Jews in his days much elevated over diaspora Jews. I noted that this was not the case for many modern Israelis, who did not choose, enjoy wealth, and enjoy security. If so, it is incorrect to apply the Chesed leAvraham. And I gave a counterexample of someone living in the diaspora who sacrificed material benefits for the sake of fulfilling Hashem's will, who is perhaps a better application of the Chesed leAvraham.<br /><br />kol tuv,<br />joshjoshwaxmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05149022516101476797noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7976081.post-5064052763754413082012-03-11T05:24:20.470+02:002012-03-11T05:24:20.470+02:00What is your suggestion Baruch Eliezer Silas that ...What is your suggestion Baruch Eliezer Silas that jews who live in l'chutz l'aretz have to let it go and make aliya? Your words are very strong but not supportive. It is going to be a mess and disbalance at the certain degree. The mess because we had a false moshiah once and disbalance because somebody have to give Tsedaka and because of it the world Asia is standing. Let it go, to be all poor and collect money from who, goyim?Moshehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07586134234198374372noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7976081.post-55270437696257462192012-03-11T05:22:25.743+02:002012-03-11T05:22:25.743+02:00B'H
IT DOESN'T EVEN REALLY MATTER HOW MAN...B'H<br />IT DOESN'T EVEN REALLY MATTER HOW MANY JEWS IN ERETZ ISRAEL OR DISPORIA PRAY AT THIS POINT IN TIME ! FOR IN THE VERY END OF THE REDEMPTION ONLY 7000 JEWS WILL BE LEFT IN ERETZ ISRAEL ! HASHEM HAS HIS PLAN AND IT IS RIGHT ON HIS SCJEDULE NOT OURS IN ERETZ ISRAEL AND ESPECIALLY NOT ANYONE'S OUTSIDE<br />READ RAMCHAL'S SECRET OF REDEMPTION AND YOU WILL LEARN INSIGHTS THAT MOST EVERYONE HAS NO CLUE TO LET ALONE IS WILLING TO TELL YOU CONCERNING THE END TIMES! IT WILL DEFINETELY OPEN YOUR EYES TO THE TRUTH OF WHAT HASHEM HAS PLANNED AND HOW HE IS GOING TO CARRY IT OUT! AFTER YOU READ IT, ESPECIALLY IN HEBREW, THEN LET'S SEE WHAT EVERYONE HAS TO SAY? MY BET IS THAT EVERY JEW LET ALONE EVERY GENTILE WILL BE ON THEIR FACE REPENTING RATHER THAN SAYING A WORD!! SILENCE AND ACTION PERHAPS MIGHT JUST SAVE A FEW MORE, BUT IN THE END, IT IS ALL UP TO HASHEM <br />B'H<br />תרםAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7976081.post-74153466659926519882012-03-11T02:00:21.356+02:002012-03-11T02:00:21.356+02:00I heard a nice Chabbad vort on Shabbat. While most...I heard a nice Chabbad vort on Shabbat. While most of us have been warned that only 20% will make it to the next geulah like in the Egyptian one, the Rebbe says that all will make it. Im yirtzeh Hashem!<br /><br />So one in the crowd asked the rabbi to elaborate, because he had heard, etc... and the rav said, it's going to be the difference between those who receive mashiach with their best Shabbat clothes and those who will meet him in their pajamas.joshnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7976081.post-41953186966168823642012-03-10T22:41:39.931+02:002012-03-10T22:41:39.931+02:00There is a world of difference between this respon...There is a world of difference between this response: "So to the religious leaders in the galut I say: The several minutes that it takes to recite the prayers.... and telling the world that he KNOWS that those not blessed - for whatever reason - to live in Israel --well their tefillos don't make an iota of difference to those who live here. His response was spot on..I wish he would have said that to begin with - it is neither a response nor an explanation for the smug and absolutely anti-jewish position he took in his first letter---which yes, more than touches a nerve. It is outrageous to say that he knows whose prayers are effective, backed only by some cutesy joke. It is a deeply offensive position to take and I DO LIVE HERE and I might add very much appreciate tefillos said by anyone anywhere for my safety---because I know they are indeed heard and are effective. That does not make me any less zionist--I came, leaving my entire family and want all Jews to come home as much or more as this Rabbi.<br />And while i'm venting, here's one for Mr. Silas: you can rest easily now that you have worked so hard--with your omniscient powers, proclaiming knowledge as to why all jews who aren't living in Israel didn't come when you decided to show up...and of course how they ALL--every one of them--think. Please get over yourself--for everyone's sake.offendednoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7976081.post-22920342523045554182012-03-10T20:27:20.279+02:002012-03-10T20:27:20.279+02:00It is beyond me why the Jews of the diaspora think...It is beyond me why the Jews of the diaspora think their material wealth improves or enhances their prayers, or that the so called "modern democracy" of Israel even makes a difference regarding the safety and sovereignty in Eretz Yisrael. <br /><br />The Ben Ish Hai, in Sefer Ben Ish Hai, Drushim al Hatorah, reiterates what we learn in the zohar, that the 70 nations are not governed by HKB"H, but my a ministering angel. Only Eretz Yisrael has a direct connection to HIM. Just because we are Jews does not guarantee that we are capable of "dialing a direct connection" with HKB"H--location does matter. This was written by a Rabbi who was born and lived in Bavel.<br /><br />What I hear in Josh Waxman's response is a perfect example of what Jews find important in the galut--money and democracy. Neither of which will make a difference standing in front of HKB"H. <br /><br />I had a discussion when I lived in the US about what Pirkei Avot says about having money--that it is preferable to give than to receive. He defended his position with honor, but my position that the poor person gives first, and was the greatest of the two, for without the poor person giving to the rich person the "opportunity to give", the rich person would have one less avenue of tshuvah. My position is well founded in the torah by many sages and was also supported by my Rav in the U.S.<br /><br />Jews who live in l'chutz l'aretz have no idea of the danger or the difficulty that Jews face in Eretz Yisrael, because they really aren't concerned about what we go through. They only know what they either hear or read. They don't know because they're afraid to let go of their money.<br /><br />Jews in Israel are in danger, but Jews in l'chutz l'aretz are in even greater peril. They have the noose around their necks and can't even feel the rope, because they are still so drunk from celebrating Purim. So drunk, in keeping with the halachah, so as not to be able to distinguish between Haman and Mordechai, that they haven't learned that they're also unable to distinguish between HKB"H and themselves, between midot tovot and midot lo tovot. The real lesson of Purim has always been and will always be Tshuvah on an individual and national level. <br /><br />All of this has been said before and there really isn't a need to debate this over and over again. Jews in l'chutz l'aretz haven't chosen to let go and will only be forced to let go after the doors are closed.Baruch Eliezer Silasnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7976081.post-67328160066498710382012-03-09T16:00:45.656+02:002012-03-09T16:00:45.656+02:00Rabbi Nachman, shabbat shalom. i have read some of...Rabbi Nachman, shabbat shalom. i have read some of your articles at shiratdevorah blog. i find them very inspiring. can you please tell us noahides what is your view on our prayers. since we live outside the holy land. blessingsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7976081.post-56042794529547239882012-03-09T16:00:35.019+02:002012-03-09T16:00:35.019+02:00"it seems that I touched a nerve"
Indee...<i>"it seems that I touched a nerve" </i><br />Indeed. :)<br />Some people are bothered by what they see as the misplaced smug superiority of some Jews in Israel over their diaspora brethren.<br /><br /><i>"Chesed L’Avraham" from Tzfat</i><br />Is this a reference to R' <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abraham_Azulai" rel="nofollow">Avraham Azulai</a>, who moved to Israel in 1599? If so, is it <b>possible</b> that when he says <i>The Jews in Eretz Yisrael sacrificed their material interests and overcame great dangers to live in Eretz Yisrael</i>, it was actually very true, to an extent incomparable to <br /> the present day? Where instead of living under a Jewish government with the possibility of relative luxury and safety, the Chesed leAvraham was talking about people who moved to a dangerous country, under rule of the Turks, where they were second class citizens and lived in (thus-chosen) poverty?<br /><br />Can you really pull that quote and without second thought to context apply it to a third-generation Israeli, who happened to be born into a modern Jewish democracy, has a comfortable life, and (let us suppose) serves his/her country as a jobnik or with Sherit Leumi? Or who doesn't serve in the army at all? Does this source in Chesed leAvraham prove that **this** person is so much higher than a diaspora Jew? Even one who chooses to live in relative poverty in order to e.g. learn in kollel or be a rebbe?<br /><br /><i>At the end of the day, all prayers arrive in the shamayim</i><br />Great. Although proof from a Jewish joke is not much proof. <br /><br />But what it seems you are saying it that all prayers arrive in Heaven, but still, these prayers don't have an iota of influence, because every Jew in Eretz Yisrael is a billion times holier than any Jew in the diaspora.<br /><br />kol tuv,<br />joshjoshwaxmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05149022516101476797noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7976081.post-50349993198576278052012-03-09T12:53:29.904+02:002012-03-09T12:53:29.904+02:00"My message was directed primarily at the rel..."My message was directed primarily at the religious leaders in the galut." <br /><br />Are you insulting my Rabbi along with countless others? Are you stating the gedolim of this generation are wrong, as they do not listen to your supposedly authoritative opinion, and have never stated there is an obligation to make immediate aliyah? Do I understand this correctly? please clarify.Danielahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16219210065972325885noreply@blogger.com